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Aug. 12th, 2005 09:53 am
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The problem with American TV is that successful shows are allowed (no, required) to run and run until every last drop of vital existence has been squeezed out of them. Until there's nothing left but rind and pips. It's a terrible shame.

Most of the shows I have loved in recent years have died the death long before they were finally put out of their misery.

Deep Space Nine
The X Files
Xena
Buffy.

I fear for the Simpsons. There have been some really ropey, unfunny episodes recently. And then there's Deadwood- which is showing alarming signs of being all washed up after a single season.

And here comes Lost, which seems expressly designed to be so open ended it can run forever. I watched the first double episode and fidgeted. The whole point of it is delay- deferred gratification. Do I have the stamina to stick with it for seven, eight years until all becomes clear? I doubt it. I know from sad experience that by the time we get there the whole concept will have become so jaded, the plotlines so tangled and far-fetched, that I will long since have ceased to care.

Date: 2005-08-12 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com
It's not just American TV.

I first noticed it with situation comedy: you'd have a bright idea about a situation which would generate one or two, three if you were very lucky, seasons of funny shows. After this, you'd run out of ideas about that situation, but you'd have an audience which was familiar with the characters and the style (the brand, in fact), so you'd carry on: think Drop the Dead Donkey, which stopped being about news media, and Third Rock from the Sun, which stopped being about aliens. And it would take the audience a couple of series to notice that this wasn't fresh or funny any more, and get it dropped.

But it happens with books, too, a formula that's so successful that the author can't resist the pressure to do more of the same: Conan Doyle killing off Sherlock Holmes - and then bringing him back (it isn't even a recent phenomenon).

The solution is in our hands, I suppose: if we stopped demanding more of the same - stopped watching, stopped buying the books - they'd stop giving us it!

Date: 2005-08-12 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Last of the Summer Wine.... aaaargh!

I'm so glad that Ricky Gervais baled out of the Office after two seasons and a couple of specials. That was entirely the right decision.

Date: 2005-08-12 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
which stopped being about news media, and Third Rock from the Sun, which stopped being about aliens./i>

Exactly. Well said.

I liked the early seasons of Andy Griffith, about the small-town sheriff and his son, back in the sixties. By the end, the series had become a caricature of itself, but it was delightful and occasionally moving in its first seasons.

Date: 2005-08-12 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shullie.livejournal.com
apparently thre are 26 episodes in season 1.. which give or take would be for 6 months... i don't think i could watch anything for 6 months ...

Date: 2005-08-12 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
26 episodes? That means the entire thing could run for 200 or more. No story is so good that it takes that long to tell.

Date: 2005-08-12 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterscotch711.livejournal.com
Having watched the whole first season of Lost, the thing is like a thesis on the concept of delay.

I wish Australian TV would model itself more on British TV than American TV. We tend to make 22+ ep/season dramas and stuff and they spread themselves so so thin.

And it's like... British TV is so pithy and dense, and I've watched some of my favourite British shows over and over and gotten more out of them each time. American TV tends to be throw-away.

But, I must say, I really liked some of the stuff that came out of the last couple of seasons of Buffy, and thought some of it really transcended the earlier stuff. As crap as the last few eps were.

Date: 2005-08-12 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I never gave up on Buffy. The penultimate season was excellent, but the final season sagged. The villain(s) were underwhelming, the resolution was perfunctory. Joss, I believe, was off doing something else.

It never descended into complete naffness. The story arc was completed. But I wish they'd decided to quit while they were really on top of the game.

Date: 2005-08-12 05:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cdpoint.livejournal.com
It's a rare series where the producers have the self-discipline to stop before it hits the tipping point and begins the rapid descent into drek. There's actually a website devoted to this point: www.jumptheshark.com (http://www.jumptheshark.com/).

The name comes from a "Happy Days" episode when virtually the entire cast of the show had left and the producers resorted to having Fonzie jump a shark on water skis.

Date: 2005-08-12 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Are there any long-running shows that stayed crispy-fresh all through their run? I can't think of any.

Even without shark-jumping moments, familiarity breeds contempt.
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Date: 2005-08-12 06:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Jon Stewart's show is topical, satirical humour- right?

Being plugged into current events should keep it fresh.

We have a satirical news quiz called Have I Got News for You. It's been running for ages and is still as good as it ever was.
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Date: 2005-08-12 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I like to laugh at Mr Bush too.

And at Mr Blair.

Date: 2005-08-12 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] balirus.livejournal.com
Creativity and quality don't regulate a network's decision as to when a program stops airing, it's all about profitablity. If a show attracts sufficient eyeballs for it's genre/timeslot and has a reasonable cost to buy then it'll be picked up and aired.

If a show ends for creative reasons it's often because the show is a headliner act (ala Seinfield) and the lead(s) walk away when their contracts expire.

Date: 2005-08-12 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
It's remarkable, given the conditions under which it's produced, that any mainstream TV is worth watching.

But I guess you could have said the same about "Golden Age" Hollywood.

Date: 2005-08-12 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
X-files was wonderfully fun when it was shadows and hints. The clearer it got, the more boring it got.

I had the oddest experience with Lost: I'd catch it on the car radio driving home from choir practice, so the plot was mostly about stumbling around, occasional screams, yelling, and confusion--then Alias was being played at roughly the same time, and I thought the Lost crowd, at least some of them, had happened upon a secret Communist community on the island! How DUMB, I thought.

Date: 2005-08-12 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The X Files was a bit of a cheat. At the beginning it seemed like there was a Big Mystery that would be revealed by the end of the run.

But as time went on it became clear that there wasn't any Big Mystery and that the writers were making it up as they went along.

Lost isn't as well written as the X Files and the characters are far more stereotypical.

You can pick up TV shows on the car radio? I don't think that's possible in the UK.....

Date: 2005-08-12 11:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
I can only pick up one channel at the bottom of the band--87.5, I think.

Date: 2005-08-12 08:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mummm.livejournal.com
But they often cancel the shows we love before we really are ready to let them go...

Dead Like Me being the most recent one. (for us)

I still love watching the old Monty Python shows and many of the other (usually comedy) shows that are still run from the UK, and some of the old shows from here too.

But you are right... some of the shows just run for too long.

Date: 2005-08-12 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
British shows don't normally run for anything like as long as American shows, but there are exceptions.

There's a Scottish cop show called Taggart which is still in production even though the actor who played the character Taggart died about ten years ago.

It must be a unique instance of a show that is named for a character who isn't in it.

Date: 2005-08-12 08:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solar-diablo.livejournal.com
I love the Simpsons, especially the 1st 10 seasons or so, but there are now countless episodes from recent seasons I haven't seen because I stopped watching it in any capacity but DVD and syndication. It's a shame it has to decline but for as many years as it's been on the air I don't begrudge it too much. As for recent TV fodder - nothing. Zilch. Zero. Reality TV makes my teeth grind, I've never seen a single episode of Friends, only 3 of Seinfeld, and I couldn't even tell you what's currently running. This is more from boredom than any sense of intellectual snobbery. It just feels like every show I come across is just a rehash of plots, characters, and jokes from Three's Company, Hill Street Blues, or LA Law.

I think Ally McBeal was the last prime time show I watched consistently. And I do miss X Files, although I never watched it religiously.

Date: 2005-08-12 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The last American import I watched religiously was Deadwood. I loved the way Season 1 breathed new life into the western. But Season 2 has been a huge disappointment. It seems to have turned from a Western into a slow moving soap about uniformly unpleasant people.

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