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I just started doing one of those online surveys on burning issues of the day, but gave up at question three.

Question 1. Abortion? A woman's choice.
Question 2. Death Penalty? Degrading to the society that operates it.
Question 3. Prostitution? Hmmmm....

I've never been to a prostitute. 1. Because I don't have the nerve. 2. Because I hate the whole business of paying people for personal services. I wouldn't be happy employing a valet or butler or a housemaid for exactly the same reason.

Liberte, egalite, fraternite (sororite)- them's my slogans.

Taking it away from my personal hang-ups, I think prostitution is always going to be with us and trying to stamp it out is cruel and pointless. Instead society ought to arrange things so that those who work in the industry have decent working conditions and fair pay. Prostitutes should have control over their lives and the gangsters who traffic and enslave (some of) them should be treated as worse than murderers.

Hm, I was going to say I didn't have an opinion, but it seems I have one after all. Several opinions in fact. For what they're worth.....

Date: 2005-11-20 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airstrip.livejournal.com
But if murderers get life in prison, then we would either have to execute or torture the pimps.

Date: 2005-11-20 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Where I come from most murderers get "life" but all it means is five, ten, fifteen years. I think the pimps (by which I mean the super-pimps- not the small fry) should be classed with the major-league psychos and banged up forever.

Date: 2005-11-20 11:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airstrip.livejournal.com
Ah, that makes more sense. Really, it's a bad thing to do to give criminals sentences that get reduced for various reasons. If you're going to give someone 5-15 years in prison, you should give them 5-15 years as a sentence. Otherwise it just makes people think the courts are dishonest.

Date: 2005-11-20 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sorenr.livejournal.com
I felt really weird when my English ex and I ended up getting a cleaner. I hated it whenever I was in when she came around, because I just had that desire to tell her not to worry and sit down with a cup of coffee instead. But that would sort of defy the point of having a cleaner, I suppose, if she just sat around drinking coffee for two hours.

BUT: Working 50-60 hour weeks both of us, we really didn't want to waste time washing floors and so on, but we had plenty of money to pay others to do it. And our cleaner (single mother with one son) obviously needed the money, so it made sense. Of course, she only did parts of the flat, never doing anything in the bedroom or in the study; that would've just been too private, really. And also this meant that when she was going to come around, we could clear all surfaces in advance by chucking stuff into the two rooms where she wouldn't be doing any cleaning. (Let's face it; cleaning somebody's study is just an impossible task, at least the sort of study we kept, where piles of books and papers where covering every horisontal surface... And in general I don't really want to go into the bedroom of a stranger. *insert disclaimer about exceptions for the bedrooms of really attractive strangers*) But it was all so weird...

When I lived in Paris I, of course, was the hired help. Though I was treated very much like just another teenage son in the family and everything was perfect, there were those moments in the afternoon when their cleaner was there (Rita was there 20 hours per week, doing all the cleaning, laundry, ironing etc. so I was 100% there to take care of the baby...) and Rita and I would sit in the kitchen and talk about "the Family" like some scene taken out of Upstairs-Downstairs! And we loved the family, and it really wasn't awkward in any way, Rita having been their cleaner for some 15 years when I was there. But when I thought about it every now and then it was just so strange... Hell; I was even living in a small room on the top floor, the old servats' quarters that every old apartment building in Paris has, though they are now mainly let out to immigrants and other people who can't afford more than 8x8ft with a wash-basin in the corner. And I loved it and it was utterly, utterly romantic and all, but then; I was a middle-class white boy who had access to a full bathroom and a well-stocked kitchen in the flat on the first floor, and I wasn't stuck in that wretched corridor on the 7th floor like most of its other residents. Just another foreigner slumming it up, really, before going back to the middle classes.

Date: 2005-11-20 04:51 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ailz and I had a cleaner/helper who was wished on us by the local social services. It was a weird situation. She wasn't a very good cleaner and we used to give her jobs to do out of a sense of obligation, then send her home early. Ailz terminated the arrangement when she discovered that small items were going missing from the bathroom.

Date: 2005-11-20 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
That last comment was from me, of course. LJ seems toi be acting screwy. I blame the move to San Fancisco

Date: 2005-11-20 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idahoswede.livejournal.com
I totally agree with you on the prostitution thing. And here in Sweden, it seems the murderers average about 5-8 years in prison. Now if you're caught with drugs, THAT is a serious crime here. Prostitutes don't get in trouble here, they're obviously females manipulated by nasty men, BUT the johns get arrested.

Date: 2005-11-20 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Sweden is hard on drugs- I'm surprised at that.

I don't know what I think about arresting Johns. But I guess it's better than harrassing and arresting the girls-

Date: 2005-11-20 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
A woman is setting up a male prostitution house in California.

Jay Leno, our Tonight show comedian, said that the men will have sex with the women for $5. Hugging and cuddling, he said, will cost $1500.

Date: 2005-11-21 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I wonder if it will make money.

I remember a TV documentary about an upmarket male prostitute working in some Australian city. His wife ran the business side of things and he used to drive out to encounter his female clients on their own turf carrying a suitcase full of the latest "amusing" sex toys. He was a cheery, chatty, unthreatening sort of chap and was clearly making quite a good living.

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